Friday 9 January 2015

MISCONCEPTION - DRAUPADI'S SWAYAMWAR COMPETITION WAS NOT OPEN FOR ALL CASTES !!

MISCONCEPTION - DRAUPADI'S SWAYAMWAR COMPETITION WAS NOT OPEN FOR ALL CASTES

Yes, a few days ago, Karna fans said, Swami Vivekanand was a fan of Karna! and now, they are saying, He was a human & he has made a mistake These people have lost it 

Now as per the Ignorant and funny Karna fans,Swami Vivekanand and Prof. Pandurangi are wrong ,they did a mistake claiming that swayamwar competition was opened for all castes.

As per these 'HIGHLY INTELLIGENT' Karna fans,Swami Vivekanand and Prof. Pandurangi are not translators of Mahabharat,they are human beings and they made a mistake here. LOL

TIME TO BLOW THESE THEORIES OF SUPER INTELLIGENT KARNA FANS-

THIS THREAD IS DIVIDED INTO FOUR PARTS-

PART 1)PROOF THAT SWAYAMWAR WAS OPENED FOR ALL CASTES

PART 2)ABOUT SWAMI VIVEKANAND AND PROF. PANDURANGI

PART 3)ABOUT FAILURE OF "RADHA'S SON"

PART 4)ABOUT NUMBER OF SOURCES GIVEN BY KARNA PAGES AND ARJUN PAGES.

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PART 1)PROOF THAT SWAYAMWAR WAS OPENED FOR ALL CASTES

Without doing any research,the super intelligent Karna fans claimed that Swami Vivekanand is wrong and these learned Karna fans are right.

As per Swami Vivekanand and Prof. Pandurangi,Drishtadyumna said that be it a Vaishya or even a Shudra,who ever is successful in the task can marry Draupadi,But as per Karna fans,Drishtdyumna never said this,Swami Vivekanand is wrong...LOL,time to enlighten these Scholars 

*PROOF FROM SANSKRIT EDITION OF MAHABHARAT,WHERE DRISHTDYUMNA SAYS THAT A BRAHMIN,VAISHYA,OR EVEN A SHUDRA CAN TAKE PART IN SWAYAMWAR -

SLOKAS -

आरोपयतु शीघ्रं वै तथेत्यूचुर्द्विजर्षभाः। 1-203-16 
एवं तेषां विलपतां विप्राणां विविधा गिरः॥ 1-203-16x (1135) 

अर्जुनो धनुषोऽभ्याशे तस्थौ गिरिरिवाचलः। 
`अर्जुनः पाण्डवश्रेष्ठो धृष्टद्युम्नमथाब्रवीत्॥ 1-203-17 (8995)

एतद्धनुर्ब्राह्मणानां सज्यं कर्तुमलं तु किम्। 1-203-18 (8996)
वैशम्पायन उवाच। तस्य तद्वचनं श्रुत्वा धृष्टद्युम्नोऽब्रवीद्वचः॥ 1-203-18x (1136) 

ब्राह्मणो वाथ राजन्यो वैश्यो वा शूद्र एव वा। 
एतेषां यो धनुःश्रेष्ठं सज्यं कुर्याद्द्विजोत्तम॥ 1-203-19 (8997) 
तस्मै प्रदेया भगिनी सत्यमुक्तं मया वचः॥ 1-203-20


TRANSLATION - 

As the sages were thus discussing in different ways, Arjuna, the glory of the Pandavas, said to Dhrstadyumna, "Is it permitted for brahmanas to string this bow?"
Hearing these words, Dhrstadyumna replied, "Either a brahmana or one of the royal order or a vaishya or even a #shudra ! Any one of them who is able to string this most opulent bow, noble brahmana, unto him shall my sister be given, and I say the truth."

ITS CLEARLY WRITTEN - WHEN ARJUN ASKED,IF HE IS PERMITTED,DRISHTDYUMNA REPLIES A BRAHMIN,OR KSHATRIYA OR VAISHYA OR EVEN A SHUDRA,WHOEVER IS SUCCESSFUL,HE WOULD GIVE HIS SISTER TO THAT PERSON

*PROOF FROM KMG TRANSLATION,THAT SWAYAMWAR WAS OPENED TO ALL CASTES-

Narrative:

And that bow which Rukma, Sunitha, Vakra,#Radha's son, Duryodhana, Salya, and many other kings accomplished in the science and practice of arms, could not even with great exertion, string, Arjuna, the son of Indra, that foremost of all persons endued with energy and like unto the younger brother of Indra (Vishnu) in might, strung in the twinkling of an eye


ITS CLEARLY WRITTEN THAT RADHA'S SON FAILED,ITS FOR OUR LORDY KARNA,BUT HIS FANS SAY THAT ITS FOR A BROTHER OF KARNA(ANOTHER SON OF RADHA),EVEN IF WE BELIEVE THAT IT WAS SOME OTHER SON OF RADHA,STILL HE WOULD BE SUTA.AND A SUTA IS PERMITTED TO STRING THE BOW,SO IT AGAIN PROVES THAT ALL CASTES WERE ALLOWED IN SWAYAMWAR.

SO YOU HYPOCRITE KARNA FANS,BEFORE CLAIMING LEARNED SCHOLARS LIKE SWAMI VIVEKANAND JI AND PROF. PANDURANGI TO BE WRONG,BETTER DO SOME RESEARCH FIRST,DON'T MAKE A MOCKERY OF YOUR FOOLISHNESS LIKE 'RANK AMATEURS'.

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PART 2)ABOUT SWAMI VIVEKANAND AND PROF. PANDURANGI

The super intelligent Karna fans say that Swami Vivekanand and Professor Pandurangi are not translators of Mahabharat,so they are wrong here,HAHAHAHAH Such blind and funny people are Karna fans.

Professor Pandurangi has Translated the Mahabharat Tatparya Nirnaya in English,check his work-


Swami Vivekanand also has written a summarized edition of Mahabharat -


Works of Swami Vivekanand -


Read more about Swami Vivekanand - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swami_Vivekananda

These Karna fans could have learned some thing from Swami ji,but these hypocrites consider the both scholars wrong and themselves correct,LMAO

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PART 3)ABOUT FAILURE OF "RADHA'S SON"

Since a long time i am saying that the 'Radha's Son' who failed to String the bow was Karna,but these Karna fans say it was a brother of Karna.

MANY TIMES IN MAHABHARAT,KARNA HAS BEEN CALLED 'RADHA'S SON'-

1st Time-

"Yudhishthira said, ‘Ye deities, I do not see here #Radha’s #son of immeasurable prowess, as also my highsouled
brothers, and Yudhamanyu and Uttamaujas, those great car-warriors that poured their bodies (as
libations) on the fire of battle


2nd Time-

Then going to the north, he subdued the sovereigns (of that quarter) and having effected the defeat of Bhagadatta, #Radha's #son ascended that mighty mountain Himavat, all along fighting his foes.


3rd Time-

Do thou, O #Radha's #son, lay my words to heart! When the wielder of the thunder-bolt asketh thee for them, do thou never give him thy ear-rings


4th Time-

Then #Radha's #son, that slayer of hostile heroes, knowing all about the matter, and desirous of obtaining the dart, remained in expectation of Vasava


5th Time-

And Indra, assuming the guise of a Brahmana, appeared before him (at such a time) and said, 'Give me!' And thereupon Radha's son replied unto him, 'Thou art welcome!' "


6th Time-

Radha's son again spake unto him with a smile, 'My mail, O regenerate one, hath been born with my body, and this pair of earrings hath arisen from Amrita.


7th Time-

Do thou now, O Radha's son, contending with me in the sight of the Kurus, make good what thou hadst said before in disregard of myself


8th Time-

Hearing this, Arjuna said, 'Even now, O Radha's son, thou hadst fled from battle with me, and it is for this that thou livest although thy younger brother hath been slain


9th Time-

Bhishma said, 'What is the use of thy talking, O Radha's son? Thou shouldst remember that occasion
when Pritha's son, single-handed, over-powered in battle six car-warriors.


10th Time-

And casting his eyes then on Radha's son, he burst out into a loud laughter.And setting at naught those words of the Rishi, that wicked wretch began to slap his thigh that resembled the trunk of an elephant.


(MANY TIMES MORE ...)

I HOPE NOW ITS CLEAR THAT RADHA'S SON WHO FAILED IN SWAYAMWAR WAS KARNA ONLY.

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PART 4)ABOUT NUMBER OF SOURCES GIVEN BY KARNA PAGES AND ARJUN PAGES

Karna fans are replicating their sources to reach our level,LOL but these people with pea sized brain don't realize that we have proved Karna's failure from All sanskrit editions available online.

We have proved from Northern Recensions,Southern Recensions,Nilakantha,Telugu Editions,English and Hindi Translations even Malyalam also,as well as summaries.

I hardly found a Single complete translation which only mentions Karna's success not his failure.Only few summaries say that was stopped and later they do not mention his failure anywhere.

MOST IMPORTANT THING IS BORI CRITCAL ALSO MENTIONS KARNA'S FAILURE WITH NO MENTION OF DRAUPADI STOPPING HIM.BORI CRITICAL IS MADE AFTER 50 YEARS RESEARCH FROM ONE THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY NINE MANUCRIPTS.SO IT MEANS THOUSANDS OF MANUSCRIPTS CONCUR WITH THE FACT THAT KARNA FAILED IN SWAYAMWAR AND WAS NOT STOPPED.

READ MORE ABOUT BORI CRITICAL - http://on.fb.me/1tGcKsc

NOW AGAIN READ THIS !!

BEFORE-
Karna Fans : "Bhagwata Purana is Fake and Imaginary"

NOW-
The same Karna fans are using that as a source to Prove that Karna was insulted in Swayamwar .... LOL 

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BEFORE-
Karna Fans : "From Which fake Magazine have Arjun fans given this footnote and slokas,this is not Geeta Press,We will show you real Geeta Press"

NOW-
The same Karna fans are using the Sanskrit Slokas from that Magazine to Prove that Karna was stopped in Swayamwar ... ROFL 

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Some popular hindi idioms can be recalled on this act of Karna fans 

"Thook ke chaatna" 
"Thali ke Baigan" 
"Badalte Rishtey" (Movie Name :P)

Poor Karna fans,Just for increasing their number of sources and reach our level,they are doing this LOL 

Well,we have updated the Draupadi Swayamwar thread with #Four more sources,you can check it out here - 


UPDATED POST LINK(WITH 17 SOURCES):


So total 17 Sources to Prove that Karna was not stopped on the basis of his caste but he failed due to his incapability.

1)REGARDING M.N. DUTTA'S ENGLISH TRANSLATION

2)REGARDING KUNJIKUTTAN THAMPURAN MALYALAM TRANSLATION

3)MISCONCEPTION REGARDING GEETA PRESS EDITION

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1)REGARDING M.N. DUTTA'S ENGLISH TRANSLATION -

Karna fans have provided extracts from M.N. Dutta's translation where Karna was stopped by Draupadi,but those illiterates did not read this extract from the Same book -

Narrative:

The bow which Rukma, Sunita, Vakra, Radha's Son (Karna), Duryodhan,Salya, and many other kings, accomplished in the science and practice of arms, could not string, even with great exertion, was stringed within the twinkling of an eye By Arjuna,the Son of Indra, that foremost of all powerful men


Here its clearly mentioned Radha's Son Karna failed to String the bow,LOL 
Now what will Karna fans say? Karna had another brother Named 'Karna' hahaha 

(IGNORANCE OF KARNA FANS EXPOSED)

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2)REGARDING KUNJIKUTTAN THAMPURAN MALYALAM TRANSLATION -

After getting defeated by English,Sanskrit and Hindi editions,now Karna fans have come up with Malyalam edition of Mahabharat LOL After this,they will bring Bhojpuri Mahabharata and then Chinese mahabharat Lol

One Karna fan also challenged Arjuna fans to prove that Karna failed in Swayamwar from any Malyalam edition.So be it,we can prove that Karna failed as per one Malyalam edition also.

SOURCE : BHARATAMALA (MALYALAM VERSION OF MAHABHARAT)

This Malyalam version of Mahabharat clearly mentions that Karna failed in Swayamwar along with Jarasanda,Sishupala and Salya.


CHECKMATE !!!

JUST FOR INFORMATION- KMG was translated in 18th Century from a 16th Century old Manuscript,but this Bharatamala was translated in 15th Century.

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3)REGARDING GEETA PRESS EDITION MISCONCEPTION - 

Karna fans again showed their epitome of illiteracy here.

As per Karna fans,in the footnote given by Ramnarayan shastri ji,he is not talking about his own geeta press edition,he is talking about BORI and Neelkantha edtions which are based upon south indian version and interpolated.LOL

Firstly,BORI and Neelkantha both are based on Northern Recension of Mahabharat.First go and do some research on this.

Secondly,Read the footnote properly,Ramnarayana Shastri himself admitted that Karna failed in Draupadi swayamwar.

See the Screenshot of footnote again - http://bit.ly/1A04JlQ

ENGLISH TRANSLATION OF FOOTNOTE - "Karna's success in Stringing the bow is nowhere mentioned in Dakshinatya edition,its not in Bhandarkar edition as well.In Nilakantha edition also,Sloka 4 and Sloka 19 of Section 187 describe that Karna failed to String the bow.It Proves that Karna failed in the task" 

Notice the last line of footnote - इससे यही सिद्ध होता है कि कर्ण ने बाण नहीं चढ़ाया था ।

I hope illiterate Karna fans can understand this.Geeta Press author Mr Ramnarayan Sastri has admitted that Karna failed in the task.He did not remove the sloka of Karna's success,instead wrote a footnote saying that Karna failed,so that the confusion was cleared because at two places in geeta press its written that Karna failed.

Apart from this,at two places Ramnarayan sastri ji has pointed out that Karna failed in the task-

FIRST OCCASION WHERE GEETA PRESS POINTED OUT THAT KARNA FAILED -


IN THIS SCREENSHOT,"RADHA'S SON" HAS BEEN TRANSLATED AS KARNA,SO DON'T BE AN IGNORANT NOW.

SECOND TIME WHERE GEETA PRESS POINTED OUT KARNA'S FAILURE-


SO BLIND KARNA FANS,PLEASE READ THE TWO EXTRACTS,APART FROM FOOTNOTE ALSO,AT TWO PLACES ITS GIVEN THAT KARNA FAILED.

KARNA FANS, DO PROPER RESEARCH
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